[So, to get everyone’s minds working, here is the next part of our discussion which I hope will catalyse you all into thinking some more. I will post this also on the discussion forum, to add more thoughts to this.

From the Discussion forum, Tony said this:-
Does anyeone (aside from Jan of course) remember the Tempe Army Camp massacre a few years ago (1999 I think) when one of the ex-MK terrorist/”soldiers” went berserk and killed 8 white officers?

Early news reports clearly showed that he was only targeting whites – one black woman soldier said the gunman “pushed her out of the way so he could shoot the whites”. In order to dampen rumors of “black on white racism” (which we all know is impossible,right?) the double-speaking ANC propaganda machine quickly announced “we are investigating whether racism is involved”. A few days later the result of the “investigation” came out – Racism was imndeed involved – “the white officers had been racist towards this black ‘freedom fighter’ hero”.

Then the black “soldiers” refused to attend the military funeral for the dead whites unless their cowardly “hero” was given the same funeral status. I dont know what happened after that – the media stopped talking about it as usual – but I think we can guess.

How many whites remain in the army as a %? I read somewhere that it is down to 2% almost all of whom must presumably be officers. How long can they last? When its down to a few dozen we can expect them to be shot in the back too – maybe piecemeal maybe all at once. Watch out in the news for white officers being murdered – assuming its reported on at all, that will be the warning signal.

Now back to the discussion with the lady:-

Hi Jan,
Let me ask you some questions to ponder on:- How many whites could they kill in a week if they all tried. Let’s say the Government organised all the blacks together, put them in taxis, gave them AK47s… etc…

1) How many blacks could they arm? Thousands. Where do you think the weapons go that disappear out of police stations (just a thought).
Answer: Last year alone over 38 000 military weapons disappeared from the army. Some people who have been involved in the SAPS, Army and MI have known about this for more than 6 years. How many weapons do you think blacks have been gathering in 5 years? Also, Illegal immigrants get their weapons from Zim, Anglola, Mozambique, Nigeria… the sky is the limit.

2) How many blacks would attack us with pangas and other non-military weapons? If i could guess, more than would have AKs.
Answer: You can go into your local Game/Dion store and buy a panga legally. Also, look at the Uhuru operation in Kenya in the 60’s, they killed thousands of whites with non military weapons, ie. Spears, pangas, pitchforks, spades etc.

3) How many whites could they kill, in say, the first week?
Answer: Depends on how well they are organised. The problem is that (hypothetically) we have 30 000 attackers. You have seen how they instigate one another. They can grow from 30 000 to 300 000 in less than 2 hours. In 2004, Dan Roodt was involved in handing a memorandum with 10 grievances of the nation, after 10 years of freedom, to a police spokesperson in Pretoria. This was at the same time as the Freedom celebrations were held. My friend (professional photographer), photographed the event and put it on his website. On these photos you will see only 5 or so blacks, in the background. Within about 25 minutes it had grown into a crowd that was difficult to control. The police asked them to leave for their own safety. Some of these blacks made chopping signs, throat slitting signs etc to show how they will kill us. Another one (was photographed), tapping on his watch to show us that our time is running out. Check out: http://www.geocities.com/wolfenangel/WhatNowS…br>
(Scroll down to the bottom of that page)

4) What will the whites do who aren’t killed?
Answer: Hopefully they wont run. See there is one thing in our favour. Most blacks are cowards, and when you start shooting back, or dont show fear, they run. But I cant bargain on that because just maybe my attacker, has more guts than brains.

5) What will the rest of the world do?
Answer: Nothing. The propaganda being spread has the entire world believing that we still oppress the blacks and that we deserve what we get. Hence the reason that they are jumping all over the lion case, the Collyn’s case and the Boeremag. They are trying to scare whites that are thinking of action against the government, so that they remain passive. SA might even turn the whole scenario around and tell the world that we assasinated Nelson M, and the people reacted out of anger and sadness and whatever other bull they can think of.

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A thought just struck me: What if White people formed “Survival Clubs?” Answer: Have been doing for some time.

Hmmm… what if people in each town or city started finding like-minded Whites and they plotted and planned and worked out possible plans of action they could take if the Blacks ever tried to wipe that group out?

Answer: See, most whites, especially the liberals, dont believe any of this is ever possible. I always think that getting out of the JHB area is the safest thing to do, because you cant count on your neighbor to protect you. But if you are on a farm / a nature reserve or something, you will see what is going on, you can form a strategy and group with other people before doing what you deem necessary. There were people in the old military who have devised a complete emergy evacuation plan. There are gathering points marked, they tell you how to drive in a convoy, how to mark a grave, what radio signals to use, how to protect women and children, how to stand guard etc. They couldnt spread this info without the gov knowing, so we are aware that they know our plans… but, the good thing is, we are prepared, and we can prepare for possible attacks etc.

(There is a news report about farmers forming defensive groups…)

Let me tell you something… even just ORGANISING… and getting people to think and work as a group… (even without access to weaponry of any kind)… could, alone, reduce casualties and their chances of success.

Answer: Reducing casualties is the main reason for asking people to leave the area. You have a much better chance of defence if your attacker doesnt know the area as well as you do, or if there are enough hiding places and escape routes. Take Alberton for example, most of the suburbs there have only one entrance, so if they block it, how will people get out? If you are on a farm, you have open lands to see all around you etc. (just an example)

My Reply:-
Hi,
You have some good stuff in your replies. This is worth chatting about.

But, there is a deeper aspect, and that is how things develop after the initial phase. Because if such a thing was done, there is an aftermath. There is a 2nd, 3rd, 4th day week and month

There will be survivors, who will flee, and group together, and they in turn will do things.

My view is that such an act would be the opening of a civil/racial war.

I like your logic that more and more would band together, the news would spread and soon. However, eventually various patterns would establish themselves, as the panic wears off, and as the attackers need rest, have a beer, (and probably some sex), etc So they would do well in the first hours and days

But, some defenders will be armed, some will get forewarning from friends

My point being, that on a vast scale there are diminishing returns Maybe they kill 100,000 in the first hour but 24 hours later they won™t be killing that many

One would have to look at other wars and instances of genocide to pick up ideas of how the process works.

Take even such a thing as weapons and bullets you know as well as I do that they™re not good shots even if they have millions of weapons and they run around wasting bullets Logistics is a big factor in warfare huge in fact they will have to replenish their supplies, etc. They can go crazy for a day or two, and then they need logistics, supplies, etc. They must go home to rest, sleep, drink beer. This will slow the process down

There are deeper things that happen and there are times for counter responses

For example: They can sort out Johannesburg, but what of Cape Town, Durban, PE, East London

If they strike in one area, but leave another area alone then you might get whites who hear of it, and start preparing and evacuating, etc, etc.

So now I ask you what is the logical end to this? Is the logical end when all whites are killed? Or is there a point where most whites are dead and they leave the survivors?

What will the survivors do? Surely, they will be highly animated and exceptionally angry and will want revenge, vengeance, counter-attacks or they may want to save groups who are still trapped but have not been wiped out

So at some point the Black attack must peter out it must give way to a new situation of pockets of surrounded people and others who escaped into the rural areas or others who have come together and are armed and can make various (small?) counter attacks

For example, what if a group decides to try and attack an army base which is not heavily guarded because the troops are busy in the suburbs murdering whites? So, a group goes in, launches a surprise attack, breaks into the armoury and now retrieves say 100 army rifles and ammo which they can hand out to other whites? Now you have say, 110 white men, armed with military weapons

They will now become more ambitious

Do you see what I™m getting at? Beyond the initial surprise attack the surprise effect wears off the attack peters out the survivors and those who fled start coming to their senses. The panic subsides, new logic comes into place

What if someone a pilot gets in a plane and flees to say Namibia and he gets there and jumps on the phone and internet and starts telling people?

Others elsewhere ex-patriates phone friends and family and get no reply.. people send emails and faxes and have no response

Within a day or two people out there will realise something is very wrong

What if days and weeks pass by and ex-pats get infuriated, realising some of their family may be dead and they find ways of sneaking back in to the country?

Or what if small pockets of whites exist, and they call for help, over the Internet, or by phone

What if some expats with military experience arrange to smuggle some weapons back into the country and join up with those who fled successfully?

And in the mean time the economy cannot stop. All the blacks cannot occupy their full time killing maybe for a day or two, but eventually, they must get petrol flowing again, they must make banks work, they must try to make industry work.

And what of those who devise impromptu things for example a welder welds sheet metal to a van and creates a simple armoured car and he uses it to escape safely with his family

Eventually some new kind of order and situation is created maybe 100,000 whites make it to a small town, and organise and get weapons and start doing something in a very organised way. They can™t just be attacked any more they can fight back

By then the whole situation has changed the blacks can™t just overrun white positions any more.

As time goes by, the situation changes from being 100% in favour of the blacks to being less and less in their favour.

And when people hear of massacres there will be anger countries will threaten to cut off foreign aid, etc.

Also what of the embassies inside S.Africa The Blacks can™t kill those whites but those whites will soon realise something is very wrong. Maybe even some whites flee there to be safe.

Many wars start with massive surprise attacks (e.g. Pearl Harbour) but given weeks and months the situation can change a lot.

Mugabe chased white farmers off the land but he was careful not to slaughter them all a few died yes but even he has to be careful.

The ANC™s actions would shock the world and it would have repercussions for sure even if not military, then diplomatic and economic which would further weaken their state in the days and months ahead.

And what if ex-pats and friends sent money and goods and weapons to help the remaining whites? Then suddenly they are not so alone and defenceless any more. Now they can stand on their own two feet.

Imagine what such an operation would cost the ANC and the blacks in terms of petrol, time wasted economic output damage to the infrastructure. And once its over they would have to pick up the pieces and try to get their society working because stockpiles of food, petrol, etc last only a limited number of days Within one week, they will have to start finding food and petrol or else the country would grind to a halt. There are 42 million of them and they must be fed

There comes a time, when MOST OF THEM, have to stop having all this fun, plugging whites, and they must return to the drudgery of life and then as quickly as they came together they must now disperse but pockets of whites would be armed and out there The war would not stop just because the blacks return to the townships. The war, once started will in all likelihood not stop. It could go on for months or years.

So that is where my interest lies in the aftermath because that is more important Maybe they kill 3 million out of 4 million whites but killing the last million will be many times more difficult since they are now organised and maybe have supplies and weapons its that last million that will give them an extremely hard time